, expiration of the pay roll tax holiday, and cuts in unemployment benefits. all those things are considered. joining us now is alex. it's good to see you. >> good to see you, fredricka. >> before we get to that fiscal cliff, let's talk about one of the things they talk about, whether it's raising taxes, revenue, however you want to define it. republican senator saxby chandless of georgia broke ranks with grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. he signed the pledge after he first ran in 2008. but here's what he told our cnn affiliate in macon, georgia, about his commitment thus far to that pledge. >> times have changed significantly, i care more about the country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. i think we owe the debt and we got to figure out a way to pay it. >> and of course, that pledge creator, grover norquist, fired back on cnn "the situation room" just yesterday. >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes.